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		<title>New U.S. Legal Rationales for Torture – A Comparison with Israel</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is new fodder for the tortured torture debate in the U.S. New evidence is emerging that the government views secret ex ante determinations, presumably by the government itself, of whether harsh treatment of detainees may be justified by reason of necessity. It is useful to compare this position with the 1995 judgment of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal">There is new fodder for the tortured torture debate in the U.S. New evidence is emerging that the government views secret <em>ex ante</em> determinations, presumably by the government itself, of whether harsh treatment of detainees may be justified by reason of necessity. <img class="alignleft" style="margin: 4px; float: left;" src="http://craigxmartin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/waterboarding.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="113" />It is useful to compare this position with the 1995 judgment of the Supreme Court of Israel, in which the Court rejected government arguments that it could find <em>ex ante</em> authority for harsher interrogation techniques in the principle of necessity.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">An <a title="NYT piece" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/washington/27intel.html" target="_blank">article </a>in The New York Times on Sunday described how recent letters to Congress from the Department of Justice (DoJ) explain that the government reserves the right to decide on a case-by-case basis what interrogation methods would violate international law standards against mistreatment of detainees. Specifically, the letters from the DoJ state that where harsher interrogation measures are “undertaken to prevent a threatened terrorist attack, rather than for the purpose of humiliation or abuse” then such measures could be determined to be not “outrageous” or otherwise in violation of international standards.<span id="more-21"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In these letters the the government has focused on the language of Common Article 3 of the <a title="GC" href="http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm" target="_blank">Geneva Conventions</a>, which among other things prohibits “outrages upon the personal dignity” of detainees. President Bush issued an executive order <a href="http://craigxmartin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/Executive Order on Interrogation and Detention - 20.Jul.07.pdf">Executive Order</a> in July, 2007, which provided that the CIA would comply with specified domestic and international standards against harsh treatment of detainees, with particular reference to Common Article 3. Why the letters do not refer to the standards of the <a title="CAT" href="http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html" target="_blank">International Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment</a>, as they have been implemented in U.S. law and incorporated in that form into the Executive Order, is somewhat mystifying.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In any event, the letters explain that for treatment “to rise to the level of an outrage” so as to be in violation of international standards, it “must be so deplorable that the reasonable observer would recognize it as something that should be universally condemned”. Prof. Sandy Levinson has already written a nice <a title="Levinson" href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/2008/04/dojs-trojan-horse-of-universal.html" target="_blank">piece </a>illustrating the tautological paradox inherent in that statement. An <em>ex ante</em> determination by the government that the conduct is permissible would strongly militate against observations that the conduct is, or even ought to be, “universally” condemned.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But the Supreme Court of Israel has already dealt with this issue of <em>ex ante</em> authority for harsher interrogation techniques (and the techniques, as described in the judgment, are far far less harsh than those the CIA is suspected of using today). The Court recognized the security needs of the state, and even examined the old ticking time bomb hypothetical, but it concluded that the government could find no <em>ex ante</em> authority for harsher interrogation practices in the principle of necessity (its full judgment is <a href="http://craigxmartin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/PublicCommitteeAgainstTorture_v._Israel.pdf">here</a>). It left open the possibility of the legislature passing laws providing specific authority for such measures, though it noted that democracies have to fight with one hand tied behind their backs in order not to violate their own fundamental values. It also left open the <em>ex post facto</em> raising of necessity as a defence in the event of criminal prosecution. But it could not rely on its own determinations of neccessity to justify, and provide immunity for, harsher interrogation techniques.</p>
<p>That Israel, a country with much greater existential threats, and very real and persistent terrorist attacks upon its territory, can respond so forcefully to government claims that “necessity” requires <em>ex ante</em> authority for harsher interrogation techniques, should be instructive for the purposes of the debate in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>Water-boarding Not Torture Because the Government Did It?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article &#8220;Nominee&#8217;s Stand May Avoid Tangle of Torture Cases&#8221; (New York Times, Nov. 1) seems to suggest that Mr. Mukasey&#8217;s reticence on the issue of water-boarding is prudent and reasonable. But the logic of the political explanations for the nominee&#8217;s position is actually deeply disturbing. Reduced to its essentials, it is this: &#8220;It would [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article &#8220;Nominee&#8217;s Stand May Avoid Tangle of Torture Cases&#8221; (<em>New York Times, Nov. 1</em>) seems <span id="st" class="st">to</span> <span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times New Roman;">suggest that Mr. Mukasey&#8217;s reticence on the issue of water-boarding is prudent and reasonable. But the logic of the political explanations for the nominee&#8217;s position is actually deeply disturbing. <img class="alignleft" style="border: 0.5px solid black; margin: 4px; float: left;" src="http://craigxmartin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/mukasey.jpg" alt="Mukasey" width="163" height="125" />Reduced <span id="st" class="st">to</span> its essentials, it is this: &#8220;It would be bad for the President or his agents <span id="st" class="st">to</span> be found <span id="st" class="st">to</span> have engaged in criminal behavior, thus we will not define as criminal such actions that the President&#8217;s agents may have undertaken, or which he may have directed.&#8221; It would be no different, in terms of the form of argument, from saying &#8220;<span id="st" class="st">to</span> the extent that the President&#8217;s agents may have decapitated American civilians, and that homicide is illegal, I am not prepared <span id="st" class="st">to</span> say that decapitation is homicide&#8221;. It almost boils down <span id="st" class="st">to</span> Richard Nixon&#8217;s infamous comment that if the President did it, it can&#8217;t be illegal. When the Attorney General will not even lay the case of possible executive wrongdoing before a court <span id="st" class="st">to</span> decide, this country will be well on its way <span id="st" class="st">to</span> sacrificing both the rule of law and the constitutional division of powers in the name of national security. (<em>Submitted as a letter to the editor, New York Times</em>)</span><br />
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